Text Messages to My Sons: Finding Connection in the Digital Age

In this episode, Jill is joined with Tammy J. Cohen, author of the award-winning book Text Messages to My Sons and founder of Women Beyond the Table.  Tammy shares how simple, meaningful messages can deepen connections with our kids—even in a digital world. She also discusses the importance of empowering women, building networks, and making technology work for us, not against us. 

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Jill O'Boyle (00:02.116)
Well, hello friends and welcome back to another episode of Your Life, Your Story, Rise Up. I am your host Jill O'Boyle and I am so excited to be here with you today. I know that you are going to be inspired by this conversation. I am joined with my guest, Tammy Cohen, who is just a true connector at heart. She's the founder of Women Beyond a Table, a network created to empower women both personally and professionally.

She's also an author of an award winning book, Text Messages to My Sons, where she shares how simple everyday communication can just deepen family bonds in today's digital age. She brings her passion for connection into every space she leads from her consulting work with executives and entrepreneurs to her network at Women Beyond the Table. Please welcome Tammy to the podcast. Tammy, welcome.

Tammy Cohen (01:02.242)
Hi Jill, thank you so much for having me on. I love that, you know, the idea of rising up and rising up women and rising up your audience. And I'm very honored to be here.

Jill O'Boyle (01:11.724)
Yes. Well, thank you. I know you will rise up our audience today. I'm personally and selfishly, I'm like, I'm excited for the conversation today because I just, when I met you and we were talking about this digital age, I was like, please talk more, right? Because I'm in this season right now. I have two boys. I have a middle schooler and I have a fourth grader. And honestly, there are days that I just want to toss these devices.

in the trash, I don't want to look at them. And because honestly, I'm craving just real, real connection with them. And I don't think I'm the only parent out there that that wants this connection with their kids. And I think we're thinking, my gosh, technology is taking over. All my kids want to do is just be glued into their cell phone devices. But I don't think that throwing the cell phones away is going to work, right? That's not going to be something that my kid wants me to do, nor will it work for me. So

Tammy Cohen (02:08.076)
Uh-uh.

Jill O'Boyle (02:12.004)
I'm just excited because I think I got your first book and so I've looked through some of these and just the way that you communicate through it. So I wanna get to all that, but first, Tammy, I would just love to start with kind of just what inspired you. Was there a specific moment with your own sons that made you think, okay, this texting could actually be a way to build deeper connection here? Or was it?

Did you have that same nudge for connection? I'm just curious of what started this whole...

Tammy Cohen (02:45.87)
Well, that's great lead question. So here we go. You know, at the time, I mean, I've been texting my kids since the minute they had phones, but those texts were mostly, you know, when they're younger and they live at home, it's more like reminders, right? It's more, it's more reprimands. Be here, meet me here. Did you forget this? Did you do that? What, you want money? What do you want? Like, you know.

Jill O'Boyle (02:50.221)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (03:02.82)
Right.

Jill O'Boyle (03:10.55)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (03:12.032)
I'm busy, you know, it was always those kind of texts, right? And that was my mainstay. And those texts are necessary when they're younger. You have to like, you know, be able to, they're still dependent, they live at home. But what happened was during the first pandemic, you know, we were all shut down, right? And I always validated myself and my worthiness based on like work.

Jill O'Boyle (03:15.492)
Totally.

Jill O'Boyle (03:26.584)
Right, exactly.

Tammy Cohen (03:38.262)
if I was successful outside. I didn't even know what limiting beliefs were. didn't know why I wasn't okay. I didn't know why I was always resentful or judging or, you know, or feeling, you know, disrespect. I didn't know what exactly was going on with me, but I knew I wasn't okay. And because we were shut down, which was a very challenging time, but for me, it was actually a time that I had to like say, Hey, I'm not okay. I have time now to like

Jill O'Boyle (03:39.129)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (03:51.502)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (04:08.176)
I was traveling lot before that. So what I did was I said, I want to figure this out. I hired a coach. I hired a life coach, a business coach. I was like, oh my God, Alicia Power Within, Tony, Deepak.

Meditating, was Robert Shumara, know, like, I was this, every thought leader, was jumping in, I was doing courses. And you know what, The things I was learning, I found fascinating about limiting beliefs and about the subconscious and about how you raise and all kinds of things. And what happened was, I said, you know, they don't teach this stuff in school.

Jill O'Boyle (04:22.306)
Yep.

Jill O'Boyle (04:31.033)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (04:36.548)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (04:47.118)
I'm learning such amazing things. I'm like reading books that I didn't even think about. I didn't even thought about Marcus Aurelius or Tao Tze-ching or, you know, or even Victor Franco, a man searched for meaning. didn't know about these books. I was like, holy in hell, was reading. And as I was thinking, I was like, I would like to share this with my sons because there's so much important, there's so many important ideas here. So I started texting them.

Jill O'Boyle (04:47.3)
They don't.

Jill O'Boyle (05:07.127)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (05:14.626)
what I was learning. But what happened was I started telling them besides sharing that quote or that bit, you know, that piece that really inspired me from a book, I started telling them how much I love them and how worthy they are and how important they are.

Jill O'Boyle (05:29.028)
Mm. Mm.

Tammy Cohen (05:31.468)
and how extraordinary they are. And then I started getting into like resilience kind of messaging and, you know, talking about accountability because, but where I was accountable to them because I didn't always act the right way with them. I didn't always stay calm and I didn't always, you know, kind of do things the right way with them. And I knew it. And I just started going into like this space, but it was really about building the habit.

Jill O'Boyle (05:45.774)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (06:00.792)
Okay. Because it's not a one done, you know, for me, I realized that, and I was reading James Clear, Atomic Habits. I just got like every book I thought was unbelievable. like, I had Amazon send my kids one except talk about digital. Now it's audio books. They don't want to know for reading. They used to be, they used to be readers. They grew up as readers. They're older, but now it's audio. Okay. But that was a sidetrack thing, getting back to that. But I built the habit because

Jill O'Boyle (06:01.006)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (06:07.833)
yeah, great book.

Jill O'Boyle (06:15.34)
Right. Right.

Jill O'Boyle (06:21.965)
Right.

Tammy Cohen (06:28.546)
Basically, we have 960 minutes from Monday to Friday that you're awake, okay, if you break it down. And if you can't find 10 minutes a day to message love, gratitude, appreciation, accountability, to message whatever you want to message, leadership, whatever it is, then you're not, something's wrong with your time. So I'm not saying you have to do it first thing in the morning. I'm just saying do it because that energy release when you send that kind of a message out is incredible. It's incredible.

Jill O'Boyle (06:47.694)
Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (06:56.492)
Mm. Yeah, I love that. I love that you were taking what you're learning and you're like, I want to share it with my kids, but not only just sharing the message that you're learning, but the whole thing around what you wanted to share with your kids is I want you to know that you're seen and loved and you're heard. And I deeply, deeply love you. Which is what all of our children need to need to hear. I'm curious from you. yes. we're striving for it, right?

Tammy Cohen (07:20.044)
What's in today?

Jill O'Boyle (07:25.572)
I'm curious from you and maybe the ages too of when you started this, what was your kids' response? How did they respond to this? From kind of going from like, okay, they're older, okay.

Tammy Cohen (07:37.378)
Well, my kids were older.

They were older, they were in their 20s. Here's the thing. I sent these messages, I have zero expectations or response because it wasn't about their response. wasn't about.

I'm only gonna do this if they respond. I'm only gonna do this if they tell me how wonderful I am. You know, my guys, I raise them in Manhattan. They're not mommy, I love you. That's how works. You know, I do have, my middle son is very good at that. He's always like, love you, or to every reason, message. But, you the other two say sometimes, they don't respond. So, here's the deal.

Jill O'Boyle (08:03.204)
There we go.

Tammy Cohen (08:14.85)
there's no expectations. It's an unconditional act from you to them because every kid wants another parent love them and thought of them and thought they were special. Okay. So even though they don't respond, they're reading that message because their phones are in their face. It's, it's not even like it's continuous. Okay. They're not putting those phones out. It's either in there. If it's anywhere, it's on them. It's in their pocket. It's in a bed. It's in their hands. So they're seeing it. That's number one.

Jill O'Boyle (08:18.488)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (08:24.494)
Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (08:28.302)
That's right.

Jill O'Boyle (08:37.604)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (08:43.948)
I tell, with this time around with the second book, I'm getting a lot of weigh-ins from coaches and all kinds of really interesting people. It's very exciting to see the acceptance of people saying like, yeah, we can use these tools. They are destructive, these tools. mean, algorithms are designed to steal your focus. They're designed to learn you. And they're going to give you more of what you look at. Now, our kids are going to look at the train rack. We all look at train racks. I mean, you go into any restaurant, people sitting together

Jill O'Boyle (09:02.244)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (09:11.649)
huh.

Tammy Cohen (09:13.942)
looking at their phones. It's different world we're in. So they're getting misinformation, they're getting indoctrination. That's we know what's going on. Let's be real. Now, I'm not saying that it's going to happen immediately, but you can counter because you are still the primary person for them.

Jill O'Boyle (09:17.208)
Yeah, yes.

Jill O'Boyle (09:23.62)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (09:37.09)
Right, right, right.

Tammy Cohen (09:37.206)
And you matter. So when you're telling them about love, empathy, compassion, when you're telling them about truth, when you're telling them to do the right thing, when you're telling them, you know, when you're sending these messages and you're sharing things, it gives them a different perspective. And, you know, I'm not saying they're not going to listen to or look at social media and all that other garbage, but at the end of the day, they are going to say, I'm getting, I'm getting somebody cares enough about me, loves me enough.

Jill O'Boyle (09:59.333)
Sure. Sure.

Tammy Cohen (10:07.16)
to make sure I'm connected to them. I'm okay. My kids wrote me forward to the book because they said, wow, to know that somebody loves me so much and do this, it makes me bulletproof, which is very big thing. Now, with kids' ages, okay, I have a lot of people who tell me like, my kids are really young, but I wanna start doing this with them. However, you can, as soon as you give your kid a phone, all right,

Jill O'Boyle (10:09.698)
Yeah, right.

Jill O'Boyle (10:19.246)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (10:29.358)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (10:34.446)
You don't have to send my messages. I'm sending them to adult kids. Okay. So they're more intense. have, they're longer and shortened. If you can still tell them, Oh, you know, did you do your homework? Did you know I you did? I'm so proud of you. You did. Oh, wow. I would love to hear it. Uh, what did, Hey, I know you had a test today. How do you think you did? No worries because there is no such failure is okay. Like

Jill O'Boyle (10:41.772)
Yeah. Right.

Jill O'Boyle (10:53.859)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (11:03.2)
If they did, they think they didn't do well. You know, like there's ways that you could do short messages. Then you change the tone because remember your kids change it. Okay. They're not the same kid from lower school, middle school. They're not the same kid from middle school, high school. They're becoming more independent. Once they leave the house and go off to college, you totally cannot give them the reminder of a man in command. They're not living at home. Okay. And then eventually they will move out and you have the whole, the whole conversation has to change. You have to be aware of that and you have to go with it.

Jill O'Boyle (11:03.684)
I love it.

Jill O'Boyle (11:12.035)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Jill O'Boyle (11:25.507)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (11:32.64)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Tammy Cohen (11:33.056)
That's how this works. Now the dad who told me, and this kind of flipped me out, and really moved me, because I get a lot of these like personal messages from people about what it means that we're doing. So he said his kid was having a lot of issues and he was, you know, getting in trouble at school on a regular basis and things were not going well. And he decided to start messaging him. And the issues at school stopped because his son just wanted to be seen and heard by him, by his father. He just wanted that.

Jill O'Boyle (11:42.542)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (12:01.124)
Mmm, wow.

Tammy Cohen (12:02.99)
his father to say these good things. And a lot of us, know, lot of us, a lot of the dads too, women are better at it, but dads, you know, it's not this generation maybe more so, but I know growing up when I grew up, mean, you know, it was like, like fathers didn't, you know, they, they, went to work, you know, and I grew up in a household where do as I say, I don't want to hear from her. Like, no, like,

Jill O'Boyle (12:23.288)
Right, yeah.

Tammy Cohen (12:27.886)
You respect May, you love May, and you do as you're told. That was conversation.

But you know what, it's different today. And a lot of the dads tell me it really makes a difference. This kid just wanted to be seen and heard and he swore it. So with his daughter who doesn't have a phone, he puts a little note in her lunchbox. And I said, that's what this is based on, the note in the lunchbox. I remember as a kid looking at the kids who got the note in the lunchbox, I thought they were the luckiest kids on the planet that the parents sent them a love note.

Jill O'Boyle (12:58.052)
wow.

Tammy Cohen (12:59.47)
They had a note, had like that gift. You you didn't even care that they got the best food in the lunchbox or whether it was great food or not. They got a note from the parent. Like that was a beautiful thing and we all knew it, you know?

Jill O'Boyle (13:08.248)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. Yes. I love that. And you're so right. You're so right. And I think to go back to what you said before on just like the amount of time that we have, you know, in a week, like if we can not five, 10 minutes, you know, to just pour into them and it can be simple. And especially with the ages, right, especially my age, I'm thinking about what I can do with mine. Like I could not send a long text to my 13 year old. He would see all the amount of words and he would read about two of them and turn it off, right?

Tammy Cohen (13:37.964)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (13:42.18)
Same thing with my fourth grader. So yeah, it doesn't have to be a huge thought out, just something to show that you're here for them. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Tammy Cohen (13:49.878)
Yeah. That you think they're extraordinary and that they matter. And it's interesting. My voice to this day, I'll say, Ma, it was a long message. You know, I'm like, yeah, I know. I know it's really long, but I was so into it. Cause I get into it, you know, like, look what I've been, listen, what do you think of that? And like, you know, and I share, I share what I'm doing. You know, I share what I'm doing. I'm sure.

Jill O'Boyle (14:06.23)
Yes, yes, yeah.

Yeah, yes.

Tammy Cohen (14:17.23)
Oh, you know, the book was their project too. we, they, they love seeing what I'm doing because it makes them proud. They're like, Oh, you know, you're, trying new things. And I share everything. It's not just me sharing the wisdom of what I'm learning, but like everything, anything I notice, anything I'm attempting to do. And I'm like, I'm taking the steps.

Jill O'Boyle (14:21.208)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (14:30.157)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (14:35.214)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (14:39.202)
You know, I'm 63. If you would have told me five years ago, like Tammy, you know, you're going to write two bucks. You could have started a woman's business network. You're going to expand your business. you know, you can have a podcast. You're going to do this. I would have said to you, are you, are you high? Cause like, you know what I, it didn't even penetrate, but my, my boys see me doing it. Cause I share it. I share like, I've asked them questions and I'm like, what do you think of this? And it's interesting. They are proud.

Jill O'Boyle (14:41.209)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (15:01.625)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (15:08.578)
They're proud that I'm trying things. And when you try things and you share what you're even like, it's a short message. Like, guess what? You know, I have a new, I'm trying a new microphone today for my podcast. And I don't know if, you know, what do you think about that? Like, should I be scared? It's new. What do you think if it doesn't work? You know, and just even anything because

Jill O'Boyle (15:16.516)
Yeah.

Right.

Tammy Cohen (15:27.562)
It's showing them that you're being transparent, that you're being real with them, that you're asking their opinion, that you're saying you're nervous about something. And then they can tell you, it's okay, mom, it'll be great, don't worry. They can give it back to you too. So.

Jill O'Boyle (15:42.094)
Guess.

Tammy Cohen (15:43.054)
It's really, I find it, I'm not a, look, I'm gonna be honest, I'm not a therapist, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not, I could be certified, I've done enough programs, but I'm not certified. I'm just a mom who did this with her sons, and I found it meaningful, and they found it meaningful. And I never set out to be an author, I never thought to write a book, never even entered my mind. But as I shared this with other people that I, you know, like, I

Jill O'Boyle (15:50.915)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (15:55.213)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (15:58.831)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (16:09.422)
During the pandemic, I oh, I messaged my sons and I do this. And they're like, wow, that's amazing. You should put that in a book. And I was like, really? And I was like, how do you write a book? I don't know how to write a book. But you learn, right? You learn. You figure shit out. Sorry, you figure things out. And at the end of the day, that's how it started. And I'm still messaging them. I don't miss a beat.

Jill O'Boyle (16:17.048)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (16:21.272)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. No. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (16:28.483)
Yeah.

Yeah, can you think of a text message? I know you've wrote many of them, but is there one that stands out that you might have sent to your sons that was super powerful that just you maybe think of often that you might share with some of the listeners?

Tammy Cohen (16:48.672)
Yeah, sure. There's, there's actually two messages. They're very different. One's an accountability message where I told them where I apologize, where I said, you know, all the times I yelled and screamed all the times I said things to you. I, it wasn't you. It was me. wasn't okay. You know, and I explained to them, I explained like my back, like how I, what happened with me growing up. And I went into a lot of like, how we get triggered.

Jill O'Boyle (16:52.813)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (17:02.052)
Mmm.

Jill O'Boyle (17:07.406)
So good.

Tammy Cohen (17:18.877)
And I never wanted you to think it had anything to do with you. You might not even be aware of it, but you...

Jill O'Boyle (17:19.63)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (17:25.644)
you probably were shocked. Like when somebody yells at you, you think you did something wrong, but it wasn't you. Now that, that message, those kinds of accountability, and there's a whole chapter in the book of accountability because the book has 11 chapters. Each chapter has those kinds of messages. There's mindfulness, there's gratitude and appreciation, there's accountability, there's mindset, there's love and family, there's leadership, discipline and determination, love and nature. Like there are categories of messages.

Jill O'Boyle (17:30.82)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (17:50.551)
Hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (17:55.554)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (17:56.159)
So when I started setting the accountability and I always am accountable, because you can't expect them to model it if you don't model it. How do expect to have accountable kids if you refuse to own anything that you did? So they started seeing me as a human being. Relationship shifted. They saw me as a human being. They saw me as somebody that is not just their mom, but like human. So that was very meaningful.

Jill O'Boyle (18:03.394)
Right. Exactly.

Exactly.

Jill O'Boyle (18:19.234)
Yes. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (18:22.19)
And the other one that was really meaningful was a resilience message where I messaged them about, you know, how life, um, cause I sent a lot of those resilience messages cause life is, you know, there's things you have to go through, right? It's not such an even beautifully paved road life. Okay. There's a lot things you have to go through. And, and I said to them, you know, like, if you look at life as your best friend,

Jill O'Boyle (18:33.88)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Jill O'Boyle (18:40.374)
Right, right, lot of things, absolutely.

Tammy Cohen (18:49.25)
Your best friend doesn't want to hurt you. Your best friend wants to help you. And if you look at everything that comes your way, it's a gift. Okay? It's a gift. And I would say to them, it's a gift from God. God's giving you a gift. Okay? If you look at it this way, you're going to pivot, you're going to learn.

Jill O'Boyle (18:54.124)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (18:57.668)
Mm.

Tammy Cohen (19:06.282)
Anything that comes your way, you're going to learn and you're going to get stronger and you'll pivot. If you look at it as a gift. Now, if you want to look at life and everything that gets put into your, into your road, or every turn off the road that you have to make, and you don't know why. If you're to look at it as something awful or something bad or why me, why is this happening to me? You know, what's going to happen. You're going to have a life sucked out of you. Okay. And you're just going to, it's just going to be like that for you.

Jill O'Boyle (19:08.237)
Yeah, right.

Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (19:22.786)
Yep.

Jill O'Boyle (19:32.632)
Yeah. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (19:36.318)
So, so I wanted them to understand that, that look at life as a gift box of gifts. Okay. And I told them at the end, cause at the end I always, I always tied the love back into them. say, you're the biggest gift in the gift box in my life. Okay. And I always sign off with emojis and I always start every message with good morning sunshine. I send it separately to each of my sons. Now I didn't know.

Jill O'Boyle (19:42.99)
Mm-hmm. Mm.

Jill O'Boyle (19:54.786)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (20:03.938)
And that was when I sent that last message that literally that was the morning in the afternoon I was going to be diagnosed with breast cancer. And I didn't know that the next morning, literally eight, 10 hours later, I was going to find my youngest son on the floor of the bedroom because he had a sudden onset seizure. And it was so intense that he fractured and located both of his shoulders, literally. The day I sent this message, this is what, and.

Jill O'Boyle (20:26.02)
Wow.

Tammy Cohen (20:30.592)
What happened was one of the hardest things I had to do because remember like my older sons were flipped out enough that their younger brother was in the hospital.

Jill O'Boyle (20:39.779)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (20:39.924)
like what the hell is going on? I didn't even know what to say about me. And I was very fortunate. Like God was with me. I got the best breast surgeon in America, like in New York, in my city at Dubin Breast Center, Dr. Lissaport. I got an appointment in a week. As soon as I got that, when they gave me the diagnosis, like you have to see a breast surgeon immediately. So I was like, okay. And I got this appointment and I said, let me just get past,

Jill O'Boyle (20:58.786)
Wow.

Tammy Cohen (21:09.808)
You know, my youngest son was in the hospital and literally he was in the hospital for three days and then my appointment was a couple of days right after he was released. I said, I'll tell my sons going out with me once I speak to the surgeon so I know. The surgeon immediately when I saw her, know, like it was like surgery was scheduled, everything was testing, everything was put into place.

Jill O'Boyle (21:19.31)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (21:32.462)
Now, this is amazing. The hardest thing I had to do was tell my kids my diagnosis, because they were also just dealing with their brother. It was very fresh, but everything was raw. Did anything happen, Jill?

Jill O'Boyle (21:42.636)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (21:45.344)
They turned around, they were shocked. They were unhappy, they were upset, but they turned around and they said to me, mom, we got this. We're the Coens. We got this. You're going to be fine. You're strong. And they started messaging me. And not only that, the whole time going through chemo and radiation, and it wasn't an easy trip, it was a very transformative one. My boys were doing my shopping, the errands, everything. every day they were messaging me, how are you? What can I do for

Jill O'Boyle (21:53.315)
Hmm.

Tammy Cohen (22:15.248)
All right, I'm not saying it's because of the message, but I really believe that those messages and me also realizing that every message that I sent them, it was God telling me, yes, you're deepening your connection with your children, but you need to deepen the connection to yourself. These messages are for you. These resilience messages are for you. Okay. Everything that you're sending, you need to do this. And then what happened was I started realizing that he also wanted me to

Jill O'Boyle (22:16.569)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (22:20.397)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (22:34.328)
Yep. Yep.

Tammy Cohen (22:45.646)
you know, took the ripple effect of how I was talking to community, how I was talking to friends, because I was doing these messages every day, it became a way of my life to the point where I started feeling, really truly feeling empathy and compassion. And I started being okay with asking for help. I never asked for help. I never really felt compassion. I know I love my children. I know I wanna say I love you all the time, but I was having a hard time feeling that, and that came from my own, you know, generational discord from my childhood.

Jill O'Boyle (23:03.864)
Right, me too.

Tammy Cohen (23:15.6)
But at the end of the day, the messaging, the connecting to myself opened me up into ways I never thought possible and also connected me deeper to God. So I see this is important to us, not just to connect to our children, because some people don't have children. But you can message a family member that you love. You can message a friend. You can message anybody who you feel is disconnected and needs help, because you'd be surprised. A person is disconnected.

Jill O'Boyle (23:33.187)
Right.

Jill O'Boyle (23:39.372)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (23:43.79)
They need to know somebody cares about them. Somebody's checking in with them. It's really not complicated. And you could change the whole world, but when you start getting into the habit, you change yourself, you change the way you relate to everybody around you. And that was the biggest thing I learned from all this. What started over here rippled over there to my whole life.

Jill O'Boyle (23:47.298)
Yes. Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (24:05.09)
Yes. Just what a beautiful message of just how God works and just the smallest details and what you were doing to build relationship and connection with your son was the exact words that you needed to hear for your own self. Like I love that. I have seen that in my own life and my own story. Actually, I just said that on the last podcast.

where God was downloading me some words that I wanted to share with my community of women. And I recorded that episode. And then literally the next week, I needed to hear my own words. I went back and re-listened to my podcast, which I usually don't ever do, but I felt like I was on a walk and it popped up and I was like, you know, I'll just go back and listen to that. And I'm like, cause I was in such a funk. And I was like, these were the words that I needed to hear my own words spoken for other people.

Tammy Cohen (24:57.43)
Yes. huh.

Jill O'Boyle (25:00.408)
God knew I needed that the following week. I mean, he's just, he is so in the details and what a beautiful testimony that is. And I want to go back to like, when I asked you about, know, how did your kids respond? And you mentioned, you know, I wasn't really, I didn't go with expecting them to respond. I didn't really have any expectations, but I love how your kids did start to notice. They're probably.

they might not have responded directly, right? But their response is through those messages, they probably started to just those words meditating on them, their habits probably started to change and then they're pouring back into you now too, right? I mean.

Tammy Cohen (25:43.726)
They poured back into me and my hope is that they're pouring into their friends. They're pouring into their children one day, their spouses, like that that opens up that channel for them to be able to do the same thing. Because let's face it. And I thought about it and I realized that when I go to my next place, whether it's heaven or wherever God wants to send me. So what are they going to miss? You think they're going to remember what I bought them? You think they don't remember what I did?

Jill O'Boyle (25:49.881)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (26:04.888)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (26:12.409)
Right.

Tammy Cohen (26:13.71)
to miss the messages. They're going to have a book, they're going to look at their phones, they're going to save them, but like they're going to miss that. That's the thing. I really believe that that's what they're going to miss the most. Like, do remember like in the old days when we had voice messaging machines, like, you know, somebody would pass it to their voice or you watch a video, you know, now it's harder to watch a video because there's no DVD player. But

Jill O'Boyle (26:15.396)
That's right.

Jill O'Boyle (26:23.225)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (26:29.752)
Right. Yes, yes. Yes.

Right?

Tammy Cohen (26:39.734)
No, just saying, like, you go back to the thing they said, that tone of their voice. That's what you care about. That's the things that matter. That's why pictures matter, you know?

Jill O'Boyle (26:44.546)
Yes.

100%. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (26:51.124)
And always say that also that was really interesting. Like, what do you think about what memories, your memories, what do you think about, you know, and it's, it's really interesting. And so we found that this, you know, was a good thing for us because I also noticed that when my kids said they felt bulletproof, I realized that it's not just that high frequency energy that I'm sending, you know, that, that goes out. Love and gratitude are like up here, they're vibrating. Hate and violence, which is what's on these algorithms is

Jill O'Boyle (27:13.955)
Right.

Jill O'Boyle (27:18.712)
Right. All on the, yes.

Tammy Cohen (27:21.008)
basically very low negative energy. So you're sending it, you're releasing it. They're reading the message, anybody reading a message of love and gratitude, they're releasing it. So imagine if a movement started, which is my, this is my mission, is to get everybody to do this with their loved ones, okay? And then you imagine how much good energy you'll be out there, like, it's like stuff won't stand a chance. And,

Jill O'Boyle (27:24.45)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (27:31.896)
Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (27:42.465)
Right.

Yes.

Tammy Cohen (27:47.074)
So that's like where I shifted to, like where this is important to me, where I want to get out there. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (27:51.16)
Yeah, I'm so on board. I'm on board with the movement and the mission. So my group of women that I focus on and help in my coaching business is high achieving women. And I know you mentioned in your busy life as well, you have multiple ventures that you do. But I know most, even my own self,

The biggest thing most of us high achieving women are craving is this intentional connection time. You had mentioned early on in the podcast of just like pursuing busy, know, all the doing all the things, finding that. And I don't know if this was your words, but in a roundabout way, like, you know, it came from success or finding that.

But I think most of the women that I'm talking with, the thing that they're really searching for is that connection, right? And we can find that with our words as we talk to people. So I'm curious with you, with when you started Women Beyond the Table, is that a need that you were kind of seeing as well with the women that you are helping to?

Tammy Cohen (29:08.302)
It's really interesting because when Wimby on Table started, how did it start? It was a pandemic and I realized I lost my income. My clients were knocked out and stuff like that. And I was like, you know what? I need to rethink how I do consulting. I need to rethink how I do things because it's a different world. The world changed. So I was like, yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (29:22.051)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (29:28.548)
Yeah. Changed. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (29:33.71)
I was like, wouldn't it be great if like, I always was good with networking. I always got along with people. could always talk to people. So I was like, you know what? wanna, I think it'd be great. Like, you know, just to have like a network of people, of women who provide great services, like a website designer, a content writer.

a business coach, a leadership coach, because you know, these different positions, creatives, the graphic team, that there's so many things that you need when you're working on a business, right? So or expanding, or taking and I knew a lot of women were just saying, you know, I don't want to go back to any, I want to my own thing. So they're going from working in a company with the team and they're like, now one woman show, like there's just so much, it's so different. So I was like thinking,

Jill O'Boyle (29:58.756)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (30:07.309)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (30:24.02)
you know what wouldn't it be nice if we have like a place that you could get to know somebody like them and trust them and then see about their service because you google website development and you know 10 000 people come up you don't know who to trust and you click on one person's website and you download something and before you know it you have two weeks of unwarranted emails pop it into your inbox with you know like a funnel and you're just kind of like

Jill O'Boyle (30:31.778)
Right? Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (30:48.1)
Right.

Tammy Cohen (30:53.486)
I don't even know. And a lot of times, it do tap into services and they don't pan out.

you know, it doesn't pan out. I was like, it'd be nice to have a place where they could make a community, like a sisterhood. So the first call that we did, because it's monthly call where we bring the speaker or we do a speed networking session with the women. And we also provide other things that we do too. But so it was really cool because three people showed up to the call.

Jill O'Boyle (31:01.86)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (31:25.518)
But I was so excited, three people showed up. And I didn't meet that many people. I was like, oh my God, three people went. And then from then on, so on and so on. And then it started getting to be like a global thing. And the women really love it because we mix health and wellness at business. Because our thing is you can't, it's hard to do business if you're not okay. So.

Jill O'Boyle (31:25.55)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (31:47.478)
Yes, exactly. Yes.

Tammy Cohen (31:50.482)
We have a lot of coaches in the group. So that was one of things we sort of need that a lot of women are opening up businesses and this is what they want to do. So we started, you know, also gearing our speakers around to health and wellness and business that could help them. You know, it's not solving the problem, but it's opening a door because, you know, like,

Jill O'Boyle (31:53.198)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (32:04.856)
Yeah. Yep.

Jill O'Boyle (32:09.848)
Right?

Tammy Cohen (32:11.048)
digital marketing and all these touch points and AI, we've had AI speakers come on. There's a lot of things going on that they need to know that they need to be able to meet somebody that we bring that could help them. So that's basically when we're at the table, but the women really love each other. They're like, they get to do that. It's the nicest thing. That's they say. This is so different. Like, cause I'm in other networks.

Jill O'Boyle (32:18.724)
us.

Jill O'Boyle (32:23.49)
Yeah. Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah

Jill O'Boyle (32:34.914)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (32:37.006)
I don't feel comfortable approaching them and it's a little bit more Stan's Orphish. We're not the C-suite.

big, you know, like, you make this money, we're not chief, okay, we're, we're women who are, you know, entrepreneurs, business owners, a lot of times one women show or less than five employees, and they're just figuring it out. And they they're very passionate about what they do. And that passion is the best part of the group.

Jill O'Boyle (32:57.806)
Sure.

Jill O'Boyle (33:02.073)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (33:05.984)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. that's great because yeah, I mean, you need that community, you need connection. I can relate to everything you just said about, you, especially when you go and you start your own thing or you're trying something different. I mean, it's very easy to just get bombarded with the sales calls or bombarded with the, you you do feel super called like it's something from God, but then you have voices in your head that says,

Tammy Cohen (33:21.422)
Bye.

Jill O'Boyle (33:33.186)
you know, the enemy telling you all the things that you want to shut down. So that community is so great to have people that are passionate to come alongside and be like, well, this is the gift that I have that I could bring and help you. And I have this gift and design and marketing. I could help you here. So what a great resource that you're creating.

Tammy Cohen (33:47.83)
Exactly. You know what the thing is? It's about leveraging social capital. You think about it. Okay. It's not so much like I always say with women, you know, don't think you're coming into a community with lots of women and they're going to buy you services. They're going to hire you off the bat. No, have to build life and plus, but if you have a question, somebody can answer it. Right?

Jill O'Boyle (33:54.5)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (34:06.53)
Right, no, right.

Jill O'Boyle (34:13.112)
Yes, right. Yes, yes, you can lean on always.

Tammy Cohen (34:16.034)
You always have a question. You can lean on people and they'll help you or they'll say, you know what? I don't know the answer, but I know this person who knows the answer. The connections that happen between the members of the group with other people.

Jill O'Boyle (34:20.898)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (34:25.986)
Yeah. Yes. Yep.

Tammy Cohen (34:32.162)
The connections I've picked up just starting this group has been invaluable to me because you know what? You don't know. First of all, I believe there aren't a coincidence is God has you connect with every person you're supposed to connect. That's beyond. That's the point of it, but don't know. Like it could be four years on the road before you actually do business with that person. could be that they connected you to somebody who you are doing business with. And the fit was right. You don't know, but just knowing that somebody could answer

Jill O'Boyle (34:35.14)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (34:47.236)
That's right. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (35:02.126)
your question. I always have questions, you know, especially when it comes to a lot more things coming out. You know, it's a little bit beyond me. And I'm just like, who can help me answer that? Who knows the right service provider for that? I don't know this, you know, I'm not going to sit and try to learn it. At this point in my life. I'm not learning it. I need to hire somebody who knows what they're doing. So yeah, so at the end of the day, you know what, it's about it's about leveraging the social

Jill O'Boyle (35:05.004)
Yeah, same.

Jill O'Boyle (35:11.043)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (35:14.819)
Right?

Jill O'Boyle (35:18.638)
Yeah, right.

Right. No, somebody. Yes.

Tammy Cohen (35:32.038)
capital of it. It's not you don't go into a network like I'm going to do a lot. I'm there's like 80 members in this group. I'm going to do business with 30 and it doesn't work like that. Although 40 % of our women do exchange services with each other. The point is, don't come into it for that. Come into it because you can meet people.

Jill O'Boyle (35:34.019)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (35:43.256)
Yeah. Sure.

Jill O'Boyle (35:49.252)
for the connection. Yes.

Tammy Cohen (35:51.916)
You can like people and you can learn about what they do. You can also connect them to people who might need their skills. There's a lot that you can do. You have to come out of it at a place of giving. You can't come into it as a place of take care. That's it.

Jill O'Boyle (35:57.102)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (36:05.935)
Yeah. And that's with everything in life, right? I mean, it really is. Well, this has been awesome. One of the things that I love helping women do is tap into their gifts and what God's really equipped them with and called them to and ultimately start to just talk with God about their purpose. And what does God feel like their purpose is? And so I would love...

for you to share that with me, Tammy, because I can see just so many talents and gifts that God has equipped you with, and you're being obedient to just the messages he's sending you, and I feel like you're being obedient to the call. So just from your journey, because you are a consultant, you are an author, you do podcasting, you created this whole networking community of Women Beyond the Table.

We haven't even talked about it, but you're a restaurant owner. So what do you think unites all of these ventures, like kind of under your purpose? What do you feel like maybe God is saying about your purpose?

Tammy Cohen (37:16.078)
It's a connector. They're all points of connection. So in my consulting business, and it's mostly focused in the gem and jewelry space, you're connecting a brand with its message to the audience. Okay? Like, what is your values? What do you stand for? Who are you? I have a lot of people come to me and they're like, I want to get something. I want to get this made. A retailer wants to get something made. A designer wants to have something, a piece made for their collections.

Jill O'Boyle (37:18.392)
Yeah. Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (37:30.5)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (37:43.48)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (37:44.82)
So how do I message, you know, connect them to the right manufacturer, connect them to the right appraiser to get their pieces, the brand pieces valued. It's all about connection. It always struck me really interestingly that

Jill O'Boyle (37:53.26)
Mmm.

Tammy Cohen (38:02.222)
people are more worried about how they message their audience than they think about how they message their family members, how they message their community, how they message to their friends. They're more worried about their business than how they are, than how they're coming across in their relationships. They don't think about that. That struck me really during every, you know, over the last couple of years. And then of course, with the restaurant, like my husband runs the restaurant, he's a genius with the restaurant, but you people

Jill O'Boyle (38:10.98)
Isn't that interesting?

Jill O'Boyle (38:20.238)
Wow. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (38:32.176)
come there to connect, they connect with us because we it's over 15 years. My husband's really like Ted from Cheers, like he's just there every night and people come in to hang out talk to him because they like the connection. They they feel like they're at a bar mitzvah because they're just going from table to table and saying hi to each other. Everybody knows each other. It's Cheers. Okay. So that's a lot of what it's called 18 Restaurant. It's on the Upper East Side of Manhattan on 81st Street between second and third 18 like the number 18. And then of course,

Jill O'Boyle (38:34.242)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (38:45.23)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (38:53.155)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (39:01.569)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (39:02.732)
The podcast, think about it. You're an audience with stories, like what you're doing, of women and people who do things, but also like, how do they do it? Like the obstacles, like how did you get past the obstacle barrier? Like that seems to be like our thing. How did you make that happen? And then we like to have you there too, because people, you you want to connect them with, you want them to enjoy themselves and have that good feeling. As well, the network is all about connecting

Jill O'Boyle (39:06.154)
yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (39:15.396)
Yes.

Right.

Tammy Cohen (39:32.648)
women to each other. I just feel like, you know, and then the book, I mean, it's all about collection. It's in the sub cycle. So yeah, I mean, so I think that's my mission. I know that's my mission. I know that's what God wants me to do.

Jill O'Boyle (39:39.766)
Yeah. Connection. Yeah. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (39:48.334)
and to spread it and that's why I'm pivoting even more towards the whole with the book and going forward into that whole realm of getting parents, getting people to do this because I really think there's a big need for it and it's evergreen. There's always gonna be a need to connect. As we get more into tech, there's gonna be a need to connect.

Jill O'Boyle (39:48.686)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (40:00.599)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (40:06.114)
Yeah. yeah. Totally.

Tammy Cohen (40:11.298)
Jill, this statistic threw me like close to 60 % of Gen Z said they would have no problem having a relationship with an AI.

Jill O'Boyle (40:22.061)
What?

Tammy Cohen (40:23.022)
That's not a human, that's AI. But the AIs are becoming very human-like and they're and they're learning. So, you know, going from a connection between human beings and moving into this other space, you've got to establish that human connection. It's not going to happen otherwise.

Jill O'Boyle (40:28.898)
Yes, scary.

Jill O'Boyle (40:42.313)
Mm. Yes. Right.

Tammy Cohen (40:44.942)
And your kids don't want an in-person conversation with you. Let's face it. They don't. It's not like how we grew up. We didn't have it twice. There's three channels. I know it was three channels. You there wasn't, it wasn't about you played, played outside. Your parents told you, you sat down for dinner. They talked to you. You answered. You watched even a TV show together. There was, it was a different world. This is not this and change. So what are you going to do? You're going to not talk to them. You're not going to connect with them because they're not where you want them to be.

Jill O'Boyle (40:50.564)
Mm-hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (40:55.992)
Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (41:14.896)
No, you have to be where your kids are. I had a parent tell me that her kid said, you want to connect with me? You want to do this? I want you to do it on Snapchat. I want to do it on Snapchat. She goes, Snapchat? I'm like, it's an app. You know, do it where your kids want you to be. They want you to message them Snapchat? OK, fine. Do it on Snapchat. It doesn't matter. Like, that's not the point. It doesn't matter. Get them where they are and connect to them.

Jill O'Boyle (41:15.33)
be. Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (41:26.648)
Yep. Yeah. Right.

Jill O'Boyle (41:33.73)
Right, yes.

Jill O'Boyle (41:40.578)
Yeah. Period. Right. Yeah. So if you could leave the listeners with one piece of advice about that, about connection, whether they're with their kids, their colleagues, their selves, like, what would that be? We've talked a lot, but what would be never too late to start.

Tammy Cohen (41:55.31)
It's never too late to start. It's never too late to start. Even if you think the relationship's done, if it matters to you, it's not too late. Just, you know, don't get turned off if they don't respond. Don't worry about it. You do what's in your heart.

Jill O'Boyle (42:02.839)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (42:12.696)
Yeah. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (42:14.254)
And you know what? There's a book. See, here's my book. There's 215 pages of text messages. If you don't know where to start, take one, tweak it. But I promise you.

Jill O'Boyle (42:18.553)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (42:25.718)
You form a habit, you know, it's going to start happening exactly what happens to me. Like, I call it God sending me a message. You can call it the universe, whatever, whatever source you're going to, it's going to come from your heart. You're going to feel very, you're going to start feeling your heart. You're going to start pouring other things into it. You're to be present. You're going to notice things that you want to share. Like all of a sudden I was talking about plants in the window. Cause I was like, look at the plants. was looking at the plant and I was thinking about breathing. Have you breathe today? Take five minutes and breathe.

Jill O'Boyle (42:42.094)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (42:49.785)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (42:55.692)
Like you just think to start coming to play because you become open to it. So it's never too late to start. Don't worry about saying what you need to say. There's resources that can help you say it and just go for it. And you know what? It's if I want to say something very important, sometimes there are issues.

Jill O'Boyle (42:56.76)
Yeah, yes.

Jill O'Boyle (43:01.752)
Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (43:07.972)
Right?

Jill O'Boyle (43:16.356)
Mm-hmm.

Tammy Cohen (43:19.136)
And we see it with especially the adult kids ages 18 to 30. I've been speaking with coaches about this. There's a lot of disconnection. There's addiction. There's depression. There's suicide. There's things that are going on and you think these are adults. These are adult kids. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Don't be afraid to bring help.

Jill O'Boyle (43:36.227)
Right.

Jill O'Boyle (43:41.078)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tammy Cohen (43:41.698)
We have more resources now than we ever did in the generations before us. So it's not typically like, don't think a text message is going to fix it. Okay. It's not a one and done. You can support them that way, but always remember that, you know, you should bring help where it's where you need it. Okay.

Jill O'Boyle (43:59.139)
Yeah. Yes. yeah. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Never too late to start. And you're so right. Like, I think, you know, I got your first edition of the book. But what I noticed, too, is when I opened it, you know, the thought was when I heard when we first met, I was like, well, I'm buying this because I'm craving connection with my with my kids. But what I found is some of the messages that I read was exactly what I needed to. And so it's like if you're

listening to this, like first way to start is, you know, buy Tammy's book and maybe yes, for your kids. But what you'll find is it'll help you as well. Like the one I opened up today, I just opened it before we got on here today and it was about just fear. I feel like right now there's just so much fear on where God's calling me. It's like. I needed that message, so I think it's just beautiful. think your messages are hitting people where they need to hit either personally for them or for their kids and.

I know for me to, like you said, usually you'll just start once you do start saying yes to that, either reaching out and connecting. I hear all the time. I'll be like, I'll listen to something or hear something. Some somebody will come into my mind like, this was good and I needed to hear this. But like this just happened this morning. I was listening to this YouTube pop up. I was listening to it. And I needed to hear that. But immediately I felt like, you know who else needs to hear this? And so I sent it to her.

You know, and it's always, it never fails. It never fails. If you just be obedient. Sometimes people are like, that's weird. That would be, that will feel weird to do that. I'm telling you, if you just be obedient to it, watch as those words or that message or whatever you send to them, they'll respond and be like, wow, I really needed that. Thank you for sending it to me. Or it just opens the door of like, Hey, thanks for sending. How are you? Like, how are you doing? And just having that connection and conversation. So yeah, I love it. I love what you do.

Tammy Cohen (45:52.078)
love that.

You know, I my times, you know, on the phone, you have the notes, right? Every time I hear something, something, I take it and put it in my notes. Cause I'm like, this is, this is meant for me for a reason. And then I go back and I look at it again. And then sometimes, you know, I'll share it as a message, you know, that day with my kids or somebody else. mean, we have a WhatsApp chat with Wimby on table and I'll pop stuff in there. like, this is heavy duty. This is amazing. And they're like, wow. The whole conversation goes around that, like that thing, you know, the women

Jill O'Boyle (45:56.824)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (46:03.79)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (46:11.652)
Mmm.

Jill O'Boyle (46:18.306)
Yes.

Tammy Cohen (46:22.928)
like, my God, we just talked about, I talked about being, I said, you know, today, I don't know what it is. I can't get going the other day. said,

I said, I just want to sit in silence. I don't want to pray. I don't want to do anything. I don't, I have no desire to do anything. I just want to sit in silence. I just want to drink coffee and sit in silence. And then I was like, and then they were like, well, why don't we do that? Like, why don't we have like schedule like a 15 minutes sit in silence where we're all sitting in silence at the same time, 15 minutes thinking about each other. And I was like, that's amazing. Let's, let's plan that. We're planning that on our next call. When do the ladies want to have a 15 minutes sit in

Jill O'Boyle (46:35.49)
Yeah.

must want to be.

Hmm.

Jill O'Boyle (46:53.284)
Wow.

Jill O'Boyle (46:58.155)
Yeah!

Tammy Cohen (47:02.17)
silence. it's just, yeah, it just came from a thought, you know, like at that point.

Jill O'Boyle (47:03.34)
Yeah.

Jill O'Boyle (47:07.138)
Yeah, and who knows where that's gonna lead. Who knows where that's gonna lead, right? Just being obedient to the thought of let's try it, why not? And there's so much power in what you also said about the notes on your phone. And as soon as you have that thought of writing it down, because we live in a world that is so distracting, for me, I will forget if I don't do it immediately or write it down or do it in that moment, I'll forget. And then,

Tammy Cohen (47:31.587)
Me too.

Jill O'Boyle (47:35.308)
You know, that's the whole point is to do it right then. So whether if you can't send it right then, but writing it down so that you can look back at it later too is brilliant. So awesome. I will. I will. Yes. So where can Tammy, where can they find text messages to my son? Where can they get a copy of the book?

Tammy Cohen (47:44.396)
I know, because I will forget, 100%.

Tammy Cohen (47:58.422)
Okay. So the good news is, that it is on Amazon and it's in Barnes and Noble. It's, on several bookstores. My website, Tammy J. Cohen, Tammy, T-A-M-M-Y J's and Jack Cohen, C-O-H-E-N.com.

Jill O'Boyle (48:08.995)
Okay.

Tammy Cohen (48:14.53)
has the books, it has all the stores that it's listed in. But the easiest would be for your listeners for Amazon, probably to go to Amazon and buy it. And you can message me anytime you want. can contact me on the website. I'm on LinkedIn and Instagram, Tammy J. Cohen. I'm also at connect at tammyjcohen.com. So there's a lot of ways to reach me and I always answer.

Jill O'Boyle (48:14.862)
Okay.

Jill O'Boyle (48:39.352)
Yeah. Awesome, awesome. Of course you do, because that's your purpose and mission is to just be connecting to women. So, well, thank you for coming on today and just sharing just your wisdom and just where God's calling you and moving you. And I know so many of the women and people listening are going to be impacted and find this useful just as I did. So thank you so much.

So friends, I'm gonna leave the link that Tammy said. I'll put the website, tammyjkohan.com, as well as the link to Amazon. So please, if you're hearing that nudge right now, like this is something that I should buy or do, or I should reach out to Tammy, then just do exactly what we have just been saying. Just be obedient and do that. Tammy's gonna respond to you. And I know the book will be fruitful in your life. So thank you so much, Tammy. I appreciate you being here.

Tammy Cohen (49:33.048)
Jill, thank you so much. The conversation was amazing. And I love meeting somebody who believes in God, like, you know, has trust and faith in God. It's so refreshing and inspiring for me. And this was great. I love being on your show. This was very easy to talk to you.

Jill O'Boyle (49:37.4)
Yes.

Jill O'Boyle (49:50.774)
I, well that's the point, right? Like my point is just keep it very open. Like we're having a coffee chat and somebody's sitting in our living room. So I love to hear that feedback. So that's, that's amazing. Well, listeners and friends, I just thank you so much for tuning in. I know there's so many podcasts you can listen to. So I just thank you for, for continuing to show up. Go out, make it a great day. Be you, love life and just keep rising up.